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This is a test of the Hafwen Broadcasting System. This is only a test.

Hafwen 16:40, 24 December 2006 (GMT)



I'm willing to help out with any scripts we want here. In specific, helpfile conversion things... I just need to know about the format. To specific, what format are the helpfiles, and can I have some for running scripts on? Noran 21:22, 27 December 2006 (GMT), edited by Noran 21:37, 27 December 2006 (GMT)

Standard RoM - Anheg 22:07, 27 December 2006 (GMT)
OK. If I end up being the one to work on this, can I make a NoranBot (I don't actually own a character on Proph with that name ;) )? What format should the help pages be (see Track)? Should I try to copy over colors or just strip color codes? Before we can really do this we should decide how helpfiles will be stored on the wiki. I like the idea of a category - it is simple and shouldn't make them too "hard to grab" as per main page - see the "remove" functionality in, suggests to me that we can run through all the pages in a given category at will. Also, if we want to copy things back onto the mud from the wiki, that can be tricky - a script that moves the wiki stuff over daily? Then we run into putting color codes back IN, if we stripped them out before. One way I can think of, that is somewhat ugly, is to keep the color codes in HTML comments on the wiki so the information is stored. Another way would be to convert to HTML colors (or wiki formatting, is there such for colors or do we use the font tag?) and back. To summarize, I think the issues are: colors, stored on wiki as: inline color codes (as per Track), in html comments (ugly to edit source), as formatting (nice, but might be tricky to go back to mudside) or something else; how to differentiate help pages from the rest so we can run scripts on them: category (doable) or namespace (don't actually know how these work on wiki.) Noran 22:30, 27 December 2006 (GMT)
I'll attempt to address these coherently and in order. Re NoranBot, yes. Format, still undecided. Copying colours, my script strips them. Most helpfiles don't require them at all. Helpfiles being stored on the wiki has been decided. Categories, mmh, I take it by that you've looked at the sql. Putting colour back in, I see few situations where it's necessary or even used in helpfiles. - Anheg 00:42, 28 December 2006 (GMT)
Hmm, you've got a script going already then? I'll think about other things, I guess. Noran 02:13, 28 December 2006 (GMT)
It's primitive, but it works. It basically strips out all headers and footers, and handles the reformatting into something the wikibot will accept. As for how it handles colour, currently, it just strips. I had it using comments for colour, but that caused lethal bloat, since people had a tendency to colour whole lines black, needlessly. Thus, methinks it might be best to just colour manually. A lot of things really don't need colour, or, at least, would benefit equally from merely being well laid out - Anheg 02:52, 28 December 2006 (GMT)
Maybe the coloring on the mud could be based on section headings, et al. Lots of possibilities for going wiki-to-mud - I'd be sad if we lost /all/ color in helpfiles. Noran 19:59, 28 December 2006 (GMT)
The section headings generated on wiki->mud conversion already base the colours on category, as they already vaguely do atm (but this time, with actual clear definition of the mapping) - Anheg 22:50, 28 December 2006 (GMT)
So where is the sandbox? It doesn't exist under Special:Sandbox or Special:Specialpages or Sandbox, and I am looking at the admonition against making new pages... Noran 04:11, 8 January 2007 (GMT)

Looking good

just wanted to say it looks good so far. i realize there's probably a long way to go. while i like hfind, i think it's nice to be able to type in something like rp channel, click a link and have the file open right up. thanks for doing this for us, Anheg :) - Hafwen 14:39, 29 December 2006 (GMT)

I have to agree with Hafwen 100% here. Its sooooo much easier to find things :) - Kerowa 16:07, 29 December 2006 (GMT)

Thanks. We try. Yay for making our lives easier too (the editor not sucking) - Anheg 03:23, 31 December 2006 (GMT)

System Helps

There are some helps, e.g. 'menu choice and others, which seem to be important in the system somewhere. I'm hesitant to touch these, 'cause I don't want to break character creation. What should I do with em? Noran 05:32, 8 January 2007 (GMT)

Leave them for now, I'll probably end up moving them back to a system resembling "old style" (current) helps, just for the what, dozen or so, involved in nanny. Cheers. Anheg 12:02, 8 January 2007 (GMT)
OK, I'm going to leave the ones I see of these uncategorized. Noran 23:14, 8 January 2007 (GMT)

Multi Titled Helpfiles

We've been putting them in Category Multi, hopefully will make things easier. Noran 06:38, 8 January 2007 (GMT)

I think I have all these flagged now. Noran 07:25, 8 January 2007 (GMT)
Brilliant, thanks. I'll start sorting out where to move them to, and appropriate redirects. Anheg 12:04, 8 January 2007 (GMT)
We'll handle that. For now, we'd rather mortals handled formatting, while we sort out the slightly less straightforward stuff. Anheg 23:48, 8 January 2007 (GMT)

ProphWiki Logo

Should we use the old website logo? Is it maybe time to get a new spiffy logo to celebrate the move of this website to a wiki system? Suggestions are welcome. Harakan 08:55, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

I've created a logo, I just haven't had time to email it to anyone. It's on my computer at home, so I can't do anything right now. I'll submit it to Anheg as soon as I get home. Hafwen 00:34, 4 July 2007 (CEST)

Links to other helpfiles

Is it generally good to have the word "help" before a link to a helpfile? This is inconsistent, I think. For instance, Newbie Statistics uses both styles. It makes more sense from the point of view of "live" to preface with the word "help" but from the point of view of a website/wiki, doesn't make sense. One possibility would be to, on live, color the linked words and then have a "see also" section at the end composed of the list of all linked words. But, when adding links, should I prepend the word "help"? Noran 22:26, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

This is something I've pondered for some time. There's also, as I think you've noticed, assorted other styles, including colouration (definitely redundant, my conversion script colours links), surrounding with brackets of various forms, et al., leaving me undecided. I think I prefer the links inline, which, given that my script colours, could mean that we can dispense with "see help drink" and just have "that you can drink from", with some note somewhere that coloured words denote "pointers" to other helpfiles (that is, links on the wiki, and just "hints" on the MUD). Thoughts? Anheg 10:19, 7 July 2007 (CEST)
I think your solution of coloring links when they're on live will work fine. Also, doesn't MXP or something let users of certain clients (e.g. ZMud) click on things (like something in their inventory) to perform actions (like dropping an item)? If so, that could be worked in to the mudside helpfile as well. Noran 13:27, 7 July 2007 (CEST)


I can't seem to find the WWP helpfile. I wanted to link to it from Clan Creation. Please advise. - Noran (Playerweb|Talk|Contribs) 17:27, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

WWP Helpfile was imported over the weekend Harakan 15:44, 16 July 2007 (CEST)

Roleplaying Howto

Someone more knowledgeable about roleplaying than I might want to look into Roleplaying Howto.

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